ziebart undercoating problems
I am in and out of steel mills and go through some nasty black water and sludge. As far as i know, cars are not shipped in moisture proof packaging. However, unless u plan to use the car as a daily driver in a salty atmosphere then u really do not need the undercoating. There may also be a noise reduction benefit when you apply rubberized undercoat. Foot well led's, and interior LED buld replacement. A quart of Metal Ready that neutralizes the rust and leaves a zinc phosphate coating on the surface. I just finished restoring my frame with POR-15. About 1 gallon of paint and the gumption to reach up under fender rail with the gun. This stuff has its pros and cons. It goes on thin and smells good. Like 61polara, although many car dealers offered rustproofing (versus undercoating, which only does the undercarriage & wheel wells--there's no drilling and coating inside doors and rocker panels), I'm unaware of Ziebart, Tuff-Kote, or any other commercial aftermarket rustproofing being factory authorized. The '60 Electra still had the undercoat in tact. I went to work in my suit everyday for a week with a black spot on my face.I wore gloves so I only got it on my hands when I tested to see if it's dry. What's involved as far as prep work goes? We bought a 1972 Cadillac Sedan deVille. Now at 021488 miles. These are serious rustproofing products and they do not come off. Silver 2010 JKUS → Black 2013 JKUS → Granite 2016 JKUR, so i called again and they said they scrape/powerwash all the rust off and use a chemical that wont let it rust underneath the harden material ....the yearly touch up is free also. You know, you look by the wheel and see black stuff and think your car is protected. This rusted-out victim of the war against rust served as a template for what works and what doesn’t in the worst possible winter and road salt conditions. Scrape out the old and lay in some new seam sealer over welds, seams, and crimps. And, I have no affiliation with the company, just very impressed by their products. IF APPLIED PROPERLY!!! Enter seam sealer. Paint processes may have gotten better, but will never match Mother Nature. Try it for yourself. You don’t want to get it too early, but wait too long or skip the wrong year and it could be a rough winter. If it works well, it could be money well spent. I have zero experience with Ziebart or Fluid Film - but I do have years of experience with Dinitrol (perhaps called Dinol in the US) and Waxoyl. Here are a few tips from the annual garage and driveway Rustvember of ahead of Rustgiving and the road salt season. 2019 Ram DT 1500 Silver Billet Laramie, Quad Cab, 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, 18 inch wheels. Come join the discussion about reviews, performance, trail riding, gear, suspension, tires, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, for all JL, JT, JK, TJ, YJ, and CJ models! It's easy! Being in Canada, I regularly rustproof my daily drivers and I've tried several different systems. I'll use it again on my next project. It looks good. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. © Copyright 2019, 5thGenRams.com All Rights Reserved. It may not display this or other websites correctly. An undercoating job is as good as the operator.I had a 54 Buick that rotted out around the headlamps.The moisture had been trapped there by the undercoating.Having been in this business(you wouldn't believe how long if I told you),our policy was to undercoat a new car before it got wet. I would never do it. I don't see this as labor intensive at all and I am 65 with a bad back. They won't spray your axles with undercoating just the underside of the floor pan. Paint is the first and last defense for steel. A few hours of investment should be good for another few years. Build date: 17 April 2018. Just my 2 cents worth. I personally have not used it over an already painted surface, as I have always taken the time and effort to strip the metal. When EVs become barn finds, what will happen. It would wise to check any rustproofing work after the application and go back if it looks inadequate. To me it's a waste of money unless  the car is brand new. Theres plenty of areas under / inside the panels of vehicles that salty water can get into. I don't know what Ford and GM uses for frame paint, but after a couple of years they show lots of rust. Slip the guy an extra 50 bucks to let u stand there and WATCH the operation. The dark colour may be due to previous rustproofing coatings that were black. Rustproofing is... (they didn't give me formula) like candle wax mixed in solvent. I had a 86 Dodge van Ziebarted when I bought it new and for some reason still own it as it is a great daily driver. Would do it again to another car without any second thoughts but as PackardV8 says unless you are going to it as a daily driver and it will be inside why bother? 2019 Ram DT 1500 Silver Billet Laramie, Quad Cab, 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, 18 inch wheels. Rustproofing is different. Fluid Film or oil based is what you want. I've heard almost 100% satifaction with Corroless offered through Eastwood - and finally bought a quart to try - though haven't just yet. I purchased it online at www.porstore.com. Head through a touchless wash with the undercarriage sprayers or just wash things down towards the end of each storm-induced road salt slush fest as the weather dries out before springtime reveals the only thing holding the floors and rockers together were frozen chunks of salty ice. Teresa and I just added to our car "collection" (I'm not sure if 2 cars constitues a collection - it just sounds good). In the past I have heard both good and bad about undercoating - things like it will trap the moisture and cause more damage. I worked for Ziebart from 1976 until 1986 when I got a better paying job. 2013 Jeep Wrangler Sahara - White with Black Hard Top - Auto Trans, LSD with 373's, Remote Start, Mopar Hood Lock with Grill Guard, GraBars, VDP Stubby Front Bumper, Daystar Leveling Kit and Griffin Steering Attenuator. It takes about 20 minutes to do a whole underbody with Fluid Film - hardly a full day job and it gives you a chance to really assess how well things are doing down there. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. The war against rust may be ultimately unwinnable, but rustproofing and undercoating can help win a battle and put off the worst. I’d like to protect the truck the best I can. Been out of the loop about this but wondering if people still have it done or has the paint process come along so far they don't need it anymore as long as you give it an underbody rinse evry now and then. I vote no on the undercoating for reasons already posted. Not a lot of winter concerns with salt and chemicals being used on the roads. When i see undercoating, especialy that which looks fresh on an older car i get suspicous. POR-15 will not hold up if the treated part is in direct sunlight like on a trailer (needs to be top coated); will not hold up on battery trays and brackets; and did not adhere after trying to remove fabric glued to it. Some of the undercoating flaked off every year. I live in western New York State where road salt is the only thing more prevalent than taxes and corrupt politicians. The Ziebart logo on a few body caps was a solid clue, and Ziebart is still in business even if Rusty Jones made a retreat. Build date: 17 April 2018. After 17 years and parked outside it is starting to get a few small rust spots in the rockers and thats all. As always I like to check with you all and see if I can learn from your experience. Not real sure what that means. I've had some areas where the paint has lasted through 2 years (including winters) of everyday driving, and other areas that haven't even lasted through the summer before it starts peeling and flaking off, with rust already forming where it was treated. Brian, thanks for the info....I'm going to be doing my Met this winter, I will use that por15........ POR 15 is great stuff as I am currently doing a Amphicar frame and belly pans with it. Both original and aftermarket undercoats might look OK for another year of four-season classic motoring, but none of these products were formulated to last for decades. This topic can be equated to the great gas vs. diesel debate. First, Ziebart used on the outer body and frame is not a rubberized coating. We are not affiliated with FCA in any way and makes no claim regarding the accuracy of the information presented on this site. Cars leave the factory with plenty of seam sealer already applied, but after 25-plus years even the best of it has given up. In most cases acrylic enamel will hold up as well. Matt Gecko hood, and bed LED's. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. I spend around 80% of my time in stripping, cleaning (marine-clean) and then etching (metal etch) the parts I am doing. Some people swear by rust proofing, some think it causes more problems (trapping water) than doing good. They would respray for free but charged me $75 every year to power wash the car first. All rust free for many years and beyond. (warm) Broke the front shock of the 3" spacer lift, so replaced with 6112/5160 and 1' block rear. - Smaller cans, although more expensive, works better than larger cans if the spoilage potential is taken into consideration. It’s best to check this stuff now and again to avoid ugly surprises that reveal the only thing left of that kick panel is the undercoating. Metal WILL rust. Wherever the coating was applied, the metal was good. It doesn't bother me but my wife hates dark film that appears around body panel edges all year. My father did a DIY undercoating of his 77 Pontiac when he bought it. Build date: 17 April 2018. I was thinking of having it undercoated. If you get any kind of defect in a thick coating and moisture gets under it your going to have a problem when water and salt gets in their and sits whether or not it is a GM, Ford, Ram, or Toyota. I believe it does help protect against rust when it is in good shape. A Reputation For Protecting Vehicles Protecting vehicles from the dangers of rust and more since the 1950s, Ziebart is the world-leader in undercoating services. While you’re under there, make sure all the factory drain holes and channels are open and working. They sell a frame kit. Ziebart undercoating/rust proofing - posted in General Discussion: Guys-thinking about taking my truck down to ziebart this fall for at least an undercoating.

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